Where's the 'Caliphate' Temple?

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: N.G.

To: Peter-R. Koenig

Oh Boy !!! What are you talking about ????

The Masonic Temple which is on St-Mark Street is absolutely not a

Memphis Misraim Temple, This is for the Scottish Rite, and they are

against all lodge which aren't affiliated with them (i.e. England). The

Masonic temple on Notre-Dame Street which use the Memphis Misrain rite

have absolutely nothing to do with the Temple on St-Mark Street , and

even less with the Memphis Lodge on Ontario Street (Deumié's Lodge). I

think that you confuse 3 different lodge in one, and none of these

lodge are in contact.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: Leah

Yeh it slipped by me too, and I do believe it was Poole who wrote "St.

Marc's Memphis Mizraim Temple on Notre Dame Street", it slipped by me

though, because yes NG is right,

There is an MM Temple (a regular one, Simon checked it out) on Notre

Dame Street (they told him that Deumié's was bogus BTW, even though

Deumié had said that he would be able to get into "any Lodge in the

World" as a member of his OMU) — it is a francophone Temple:

http://www.memphis-misraim.org

3722 rue Notre Dame Ouest, Montreal

and yes (and now I am confused, because I had thought that Mr. Poole

and company were working out of the yes, AASR Temple on St. Marc

Street, and it is to the AASR that I wrote my letter — I know for a

fact that "some" events were held there, but I cannot confirm that that

is where Poole was working, I think Poole was dissembling there,

combining the three names into one, to be "cute" and unfortunately it

slipped by me). The AASR is at:

Masonic Memorial Temple (AASR)

2295 St. Marc, Montreal

like I said, I am aware that for a while (and maybe still) this bastion

of regular freemasonry would rent rooms to groups for various events.

However, where exactly WAS Poole's group working? it is unclear to me.

But in your opening paragraph you do have "St. Marc's Memphis-Misraim

Centre on Notre-Dame Street" which is an obvious absurdity.

As for the "Templar Centre" on Ontario Street, that is what Mr. Poole

— and no one else I am aware of — called the basement of a

long-closed bank that we all rented together.

And of course Deumié's MM is also on Ontario St. East.

I will read the "Poole section" to see where the "St. Marc's

Memphis-Misraim Centre on Notre-Dame Street" and see if we can clarify

where exactly he was renting his space for initiations. I suspect it

was in the AASR building, to be honest, as I said, they do rent space

now and again for "Meetings". Obviously this needs some redaction.

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: Leah

link to the "Masonic Memorial Temple" on St. Marc Street:

http://pages.infinit.net/lafrentz/struc-histroy.html

it was the HQ for the GLQ (may still be I haven't read the whole site

yet):

http://www3.sympatico.ca/hiram/history.html [defunct]

(already sent you the link for the MM Temple on Notre Dame West)

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: Leah

Finally I found the AASR info site, as you can see (Montreal Valley is

just above Moose Jaw, LOL!) they also use the big Temple on St. Marc's

Street.....

http://www.scottishritemasons-can.org/mouke.html

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: Leah

To: jim(at)kirk-white.com

Subject: to AASR webmaster, a question

Cc: Peter-R. Koenig

Dear Webmaster for the AASR Site,

I looked on the page at

http://www.scottishritemasons-can.org/content.htm and other than the

guest book, I saw no other contact address, so if you cannot answer my

question, perhaps you would be so kind as to forward this email on to

someone who can. I do not feel comfortable leaving my question at the

guestbook.

Recently a new section was added to Peter R. Koenig's site on the OTO

Phenomenon and other things, and this has to do with the history of the

Caliphate OTO (as it is sometimes called, cOTO) in Canada, and

particularly in Montreal. The URL is:

https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/intro.htm The OTO (Ordo Templi

Orientis) is a pseudo-masonic group and many details about this are to

be found in Peter R. Koenig's site: https://www.parareligion.ch

There is a statement by David Poole (who was the CEO of OTO, Inc.,

until its disincorporation in Quebec in May 2001) who was "chartered"

as Montreal's Phoenix Lodge Master, that:

"After a year or so we negotiated a weekly meeting at the

Memphis-Misraim Center on Notre-Dame Ouest in Montréal, where we did

Minervals, Ist, IInds, IIIrds, the Gnostic Mass, the Rites of Eleusis,

and various Ceremonial Magick workings. Now things were running

smoothly, and some of the "coup" members were getting more and more

envious of the state of things."

at: https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/canada3.htm

and there is a contradictory statement from Robert Latullippe (who at

one time was the Secretary or Treasurer of the group and a Phoenix

Lodge officer as well), that:

"(the initiations took place at St. Marc's Memorial Masonic Temple in

Montréal)"

at: https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/canada5.htm

and I wonder if you could clarify whether or not the Memorial Masonic

Temple in Montreal, on St. Marc's Street was actually used for

initiations and other rituals into the OTO, this would have been during

the early 1990s?

Thank you for your help.

Leah

cc: Peter R. Koenig

Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002

From: Leah

Subject: the OTO is a hoax? !-- AASR

Here is the VERY prompt answer we got from AASR:

> Sorry I cannot help you. I have never heard of this OTO, and checking

> out the site it seems to be a hoax of some sort. There is certainly no

> connection to Masonry or the Scottish Rite.

> In regards to the Montreal question you might check with a Lodge in

> the Quebec jurisdiction as I would have no way of knowing where they

> would rent space.

> Cheers, Jim Kirk-White

Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002

From: Leah

To: glscanada(at)hotmail.com

Cher Loge Memphis-Misraim;

Premierement, je voudrais m'excuser du manque d'accents appropries.

Je regardais la page situe au

http://scottishritemasons-can.org/content.htm et je n'ai pas vue une

adresse de contact, alors si vous ne pouvez pas repondre a ma question,

peut-etre vous pourriez etre assez gentil d'avancer ce courriel a

quelqu'un qui pourrait.

Recamment une nouvelle section a ete ajoute au site web de Peter R.

Koenig - qui a rapport avec le phenomene de l'OTO et autres sujets -

qui a affaire avec l'histoire de l'OTO caliphat (qui est parfois appele

cOTO) au Canada, et particulierement avec l'histoire de ce meme a

Montreal.

L'URL du site a M. Koenig pertinent a cette question est:

https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/intro.htm. L'OTO (Ordo Templi

Orientis) est un groupe pseudo-masonnique et beaucoup de details

peuvent etre obtenus au site de M. Koenig:

https://www.parareligion.ch. Il y a une declaration d'un David

Poole (qui etait le chef executif de OTO, Inc. au Quebec jusqu'a la

disincorporation ici au mois de mai, 2001) qui avait un "chartre" pour

la Loge Phoenix d'OTO, qui dit:

"After a year or so we negotiated a weekly meeting at the

Memphis-Misraim Center on Notre-Dame Ouest in Montréal, where we did

Minervals, Ist, IInds, IIIrds, the Gnostic Mass, the Rites of Eleusis,

and various Ceremonial Magick workings. Now things were running

smoothly, and some of the "coup" members were getting more and more

envious of the state of things."

traduction:

Apres a peu pres un an ou plus on avait negocie un 'meeting' au

centre de Memphis-Misraim sur Notre-Dame Ouest a Motreal, ou on a

performer des 'Minervals', Iiers, IIiemes, IIIiemes, la Messe

Gnostique, les Rites d'Eleusis, et un varia de rituels de magie

ceremonielle. Maintenant les choses roulent bien, et quelques des

membres du 'coup' devenaient de plus en plus envieux de la situation.

au:

https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/canada3.htm et il y a une

declaration contradictoire de Robert Latulippe (qui etait le secretaire

ou tresorier du groupe, et aussi un officier de la Loge Pheonix) qui

dit:

"(the initiations took place at St. Marc's Memorial Masonic Temple in

Montréal)"

traduction:

(les initiations ont pris place au Temple Memoriel Masonnique sur

St-Marc a Montreal)

au:

https://www.parareligion.ch/moose/canada5.htm. Je me demandais si

vous pouviez clarifier si votre Temple de Memphis-Misraim, sur la rue

Notre-Dame Ouest, etait vraiement utilise pour des initiations et

autres rituels par l'OTO? Ceci aurais arrive tot durant les annees

1990.

Merci d'avance pour votre aide.

Eric Cote

cc: Peter R. Koenig

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002

From: N.G.

> Masonic Memorial Temple (AASR)

> 2295 St. Marc, Montreal

> events.

As far as I know, the Memorial Masonic Temple is only renting local for

Masonic activities, I'll be very surprised to here that they rent it

for something like O.T.O. And even with masonry they are selective,

because they are loyal to the Grand Lodge of England. i.e: they don't

recognize other masons than those which are affiliated with the Grand

Lodge of Quebec (for Canada, i.e. England)

Leah: As for the "Templar Centre" on Ontario Street, that is what

Mr. Poole — and no one else I am aware of — called the basement of a

long-closed bank that we all rented together.

N.G.: Maybe at the angle of Ontario St. and Papineau St.

Leah: And of course Deumié's MM is also on Ontario St. East.

N.G.: Yes, at the angle of Ontario St. and St-Denis St.

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002

From: N.G.

Masonry in Canada are related with the Grand Lodge of England... If I

want , tommorow I register the name "MMM i.e. Maison Memphis Misraim"

and I'm a MM authority in Canada. The only "recognized" rite in Canada

is the AASR, and it must be affiliated with England. So MM rite isn't

"recognized" as a rite in Canada. A MM mason can give a grip to a

"regular" AASR mason in Canada , and the "regular" mason will tell you

honestly that he don't "recognize" as such ! MM recognize AASR, but

AASR doesn't recognize MM.

AASR says they had never dealings with OTO

Hehe... Businessmen doesn't dell with aliens !!

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002

From: David Poole

Subject: Correction

Templar Center in downtown Montréal.

After several months we moved to Center Maconnique de Montreal

(Memphis Misraim Center) NOT St-Marcs. (Although we did Minervals at

St-Marcs Masonic Memorial Temple while we were still using the room in

Metamorphoses.)

In all we used St-Marcs on three occasions, as Phoenix Oasis for 6

Minervals, as Phoenix Lodge for 3 Minervals, and finally as Phoenix

Lodge for 3 IV* & PI's (with participation of Tahuti Lodge officers

and Grand Lodge officers. We had an excellent working relationship with

St-Marcs).

Leah: no comment, but now I am pretty sure they must have rented

a room, without saying what the room was used for.

Poole: Why the disbelief? We had meeting room, ante-chamber and

Blue Lodge. They knew exactly what it was for, and we even used the

Masons caterer to bring the Agape after we were done!

Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002

From: Poole

Greetings,

I just came across this, which may be of interest:

www.memphis-misraim.org

This is the temple that we used to rent from.

David